Aye you are right about PLI cost Diggha. I have 5mil cover for my business and it's so cheap I don't think an insurer would be arsed to do the paperwork (with me it's bunged in with all the other business cover such as emplyee, building and contents insurance).
I have absolutely no idea why reenactors PLI insurance is so high unless it also includes things like personal accident cover for the reenactors themselves. Bit like third party car cover vs comprehensive?
I have absolutely no idea why reenactors PLI insurance is so high unless it also includes things like personal accident cover for the reenactors themselves. Bit like third party car cover vs comprehensive?
I'd assume it'd also be because reenacting tends to involve blank-firers, explosives and members of the public in close proximity?
MOP's are one thing we don't have to contend with, so i guess the cost for airsoft PLI may be affected by that, but who knows?
Oddball has PLI on his Tank & Jeep! don't think it cost too much,
Steve.D
I was looking for one of the SMLE's on 'Sutlers' store website and the had a link to http://www.re-enactorguard.co.uk/ 
Good link but looks like they only insure equipment rather than the Public Liability needed.
"Your group cover should provide you with £5 million public liability required for some events, Re-enactorguard fills in the gaps!"
Edit : Oh wait I see its an optional extra. Eeek £2mil PLI plus £400 equipment cover is £65 per year. Hmm it seems its £64 even if you put in the minimum equipment level of £30.
Is it cheaper for Re-enactor groups?
No longer involved in airsoft.
Off you go down the merry route of theory adn supposition.
Don't debate it - call a broker!
You still need Third Party Public Liability Insurance Whether Mops (Stop nicking our phrases! 
) are present or not - trust me you do.
Yourt costs will be lower if you don't use firearms and pyro - but you like to use pyro don't you?
To CW - the costs are higher because in your business, you don't run about the office rolling over and under desks and dashing through doors etc.
The risk is significantly higher due to the activity. It's classed as a high risk.
I've just helped a site get cover.... no details - Not mine to give.
If you form a group then what are you? "an airsoft team" so is that a sports club? Social Club? etc.
If anyone is interested - PM the FNG - (I won't forget that for a long time 
) and he will give you the number of a very nice man to talk to with regard to insurance and the way forward. But don't waste his time - he doesn't suffer fools.
Funny but here I am on another forum - not talking about badges and BDs and shit - but practicalities.... 
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A001
OK instead of MoPs I vote we call them PiTA's 
Didn't think it would be long before you came along, I almost posted earlier to say you'd know about the PLI but chose not to
Off you go down the merry route of theory adn supposition.
Don't debate it - call a broker!
Although there are some loose groups on this forum, none I think are that organized where they issue membership cards.
Whilst its easy for airsofters to get individual PLI, that won`t be of any use as a specific defence which is possibly the only reason to get involved with the PLI thing.
No one I know of has costed for a group although I have been nosing around the ww2 reenacting forum and come across a rough figure of £500 a year for a group of 10....whether people would be willing to pay £50 a year as membership of a group is another thing that would need to be asked and whether the HO would accept an airsoft group with PLI instead of a site with PLI as a specific defence is another thing to be looked into. If the HO won`t accept it then the whole PLI thing is pointless.
As for "airsoft team", I think a better label would be "airsoft reenactment group" and although we don`t use firearms we fire projectiles at each other.
If anyone is going to take this further I think the first thing to do is find out the HO`s stand on a group with PLI getting the defence, if in the negative then its a pointless exercise, if in the positive then phone a broker 
Good point. No point pissing on the fire until its taken flame
As far as my limited understanding goes the tricky part will be getting a specific come back from the HO as they dont seem to have much time for specific cases (which is fair but slightly frustrating).
Im waiting for a comment from "management" first tho
No longer involved in airsoft.
Surely if you Constitute a club/group/Association/society/Group of Friends (Yes! that's a legitimate body) and you adopt a constitution, you make up some rules and you issue a membership card with photo ID contact and Insurance details on it - Then you rae a club of legitimate airsofters...... You then obtain yourself TPPLI and what's the problem?
It ain't rocket science and I mooted this a long while ago somewhere or another.
It (the VCR Bill) says airsoft is a legitimate defence - UKARA has come upw ith something that allows THEM to sell to you because THEY register OU as a player.... fine - sound fiscal move (pardon my sardonic scpeticism there) So why not take measures to PROVE you are legitimate airsofters - We re-enactors don't need a particular "site" to display or battle on. We move around. we take our insurance with us. The sites still have their own..... but in Litigation land it's GOOD sense to haev your own.
Why? Well - you're on a site - you injure someone. They claim off the site cos you got no insurance..... You can sure as hell figure the site's lawyers will come after you with a counterclaim to recover their client's costs..... Believe me!
I'm sorry - this change is being forced upon you - You don't have to do anything - You can do as many re-enactors did for years - Bleat like lambs until you're slaughtered. Or you can get your sh1t together and protect yourselves..... It was forced upon us too - and still some have their heads firmly in the sand and are having a right royal rump kicking administered...
Going on to costs - £50 sounds a big lump said in one go - But it's £1.00 a week with a two week holiday ofr XMas and New Year. What other hobby costs you subs of £1.00 a week? It's like buying a lottery ticket.... I think you will get insurance for les than re-enactors for reasons stated - but I don't know cos I'm not the brokerman.
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A001
You could go down the route of PLI insurance for airsoft reeenactment groups , the big Q really is would UKARA recognise that in addition to the site scheme for registration . If so then it's worth doing, if not then there's little to be gained .
As game organisers rather than site owners we could be in a position to sign off known players as bone fide skirmishers, if UKARA agrees it . And that's the big $64,000 question to which an answer is required.
Surely if you Constitute a club/group/Association/society/Group of Friends (Yes! that's a legitimate body) and you adopt a constitution, you make up some rules and you issue a membership card with photo ID contact and Insurance details on it - Then you rae a club of legitimate airsofters...... You then obtain yourself TPPLI and what's the problem?
Indeed from what you`ve said before your chaps don`t seem to have any probem buying RIF`s because of the membership of a group with PLI, but then you`re reenactors, to be a legitimate airsofter all I`ve seen mentioned is the need to belong to a specific site with PLI which is slightly different, so it seems as if you`ve happened across another grey area that this law has created.
If we as airsofters come under the same rules as reenactors (which we should) to get the specific defence well thats all fine and dandy.
Unfortunately the UKARA rules have created confusion and seem to be somewhat different to the HO guidelines, hence all the supposition in this thread...maybe it is time to phone a broker 
Well, as you see from what Guy has said we (CiA) could do lots of things (and have investigated many) - the question is whether it would have any practical benefit given the cost involved.
From the point of view of those of us that skirmish at various sites but stick to a specific theme I think it would be invaluable, but I also see Guys point and it makes no difference if UKARA doesn't recognise it.
Yes I could go out and buy insurrance today but ... 7 P's
No longer involved in airsoft.
From the point of view of those of us that skirmish at various sites but stick to a specific theme I think it would be invaluable, but I also see Guys point and it makes no difference if UKARA doesn't recognise it.
or, if they don't recognise it but the HO will, just go and buy your guns from HK at half the price of UK dealers.
Incidently for your information. The VCR Bill : http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0.i-v.html
And the bit that applies :
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... html#j8008
No longer involved in airsoft.
Aye, but there is still no hard and fast, set in concrete, info on the position of HMR&C's requirements for imports. If stuff is getting through using the 'new' RSOV method then that would change the position somewhat I suppose...
I sent a quick message to UKARA to see what their take on it was and if they would be able to accomodate a non-site organisation.
I got a quick reply :
"Off hand I think Re-enacters need personal or group public liability insurance, I have been curious on how you were going to work it. I think if you can tell us in more detail what / how you can become recognised as bona fidi purchases we may well be able to accommodate you in the UKARA scheme.
Best Regards
Graham
UKARA admin"
So at least looks like they're open to the idea. (note Im not trying to step on anyones toes, im just trying to get some info for all concerned )
No longer involved in airsoft.
Thats at least a glimmer of hope Diggah, good call asking them
What exactly did the email you sent him say?
